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The Saskia Raevouri-Praamsma, Square Circles, Matthew Block evaluation section. "Do your good deeds in
secret; when you give alms, let not the left hand know what the right hand
does." "...these self-centered rulers delight in doing their good works
so that they will be seen by men." -Jesus Public Announcement, October 15, 2003: "For years I have been saying that when the lawsuits are finally over I plan to donate to the Foundation $100 earmarked for translations. Well, I have just written out a check and I encourage each of you to do likewise..." –Saskia
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Say What?
"...there
are so many documented cases..." (of communication
with the dead)
"...and they can't ALL be bogus."---Saskia |
How much of the Urantia Papers does Saskia believe?
What is this, an inquisition? |
ya think?
First Printing |
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"Believe what you want and let's all move
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"...so many documented cases..." |
How I Found The Urantia Book (HIFTUB) |
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"I can't imagine anyone reading a 2097 page
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Can Saskia be a fair and honest broker on her Square Circles website when she solicits comments on the "Unity of Purpose Initiative" and then refuses to carry some of them because she has "a case of the ass" toward someone? Why won't Matthew, her new husband, courteously reply to my e-mail to him since he's married Saskia? He's always replied courteously before. Has he become uncharacteristically rude all of a sudden? Is he toeing the company line as laid down by Saskia? Is Saskia blocking my mail to Matthew as she says she's doing with my mail to her? National Inquirer-ing minds want to know. These and other issues such as: How much of the Urantia Revelation does Saskia believe? What sets her off? What happens if she can't be boss?, will be explored and examined. Regarding communication with the dead (and in contrast to what the Urantia Book says), Saskia says: "I am leaving the door open to the possibility since there are so many documented cases and they can't ALL be bogus." -Saskia, 3-2-03 To which I replied: "Your statement that there are documented cases is a sweeping, unsupported and unsupportable statement... I challenge it. Please provide such "documentation" that doesn't come from TWILIGHTZONE.COM or some such place. And your seemingly logical but in fact illogical statement that "they can't ALL be bogus" [is wrong.] Yes, they can all be bogus, and they are all bogus." (Norm) And Saskia said: "Go to any New Age bookstore. I have a huge collection of books dating back to the late 1800s that document thousands of cases [of communication with the dead], from all over the world, some written by highly reputable individuals who had nothing to gain and everything to lose by going on record. To say that the UB is 100% true and those books are 100% false is unthinkable to me. ...You might as well stop trying to change my mind because it won't work." -Saskia, 3-3-03 * * * "I do not want to be part of a religious movement that includes people like you..." -Saskia, 3-5-03
Saskia: Dear Dave, "I cannot possibly respond
to all of your points below as I have signed off from the discussion..."
...Saskia: "...how many times do I have to
repeat that before I wear myself out?"
Norm: "Are you "signed off"
yet?" "After unsubscribing from all of these lists... I feel as if I have taken a nice bath and washed away all the dirt." -Saskia, 3-17-03 "I am fed up with casting pearls before swine. PLEASE remove my email address from all future discussions ABOUT me and my work on this so-called "thread." You are not qualified or open-minded enough to discuss these topics. If I receive even one more post (unless it is a friendly post), I am immediately adding the sender to my BLOCKED SENDERS LIST. I will also remove that person's name from my ADDRESS BOOK which means we will be cut off from each other permanently. I have had it with the "baiting" and the temptation to repeatedly defend myself and my stand, and the only way not to react to such sophistries is to ignore them. There is a wide mix of people listed below, so if you consider yourself my friend, then email me privately that you would like to stay in touch, or else EVERY SINGLE NAME BELOW will be removed." -Saskia, 3-17-03 "This forum is about as worn out as a smelly, old shoe. I'm unsubscribing from this pack of unfriendly wolves who have no sense of history OR spirituality." -Saskia, 3-17-03
From Rick Warren, 3-17-03 And I replied to Rick: "Bravo! Rick. You said it all perfectly. How many times is she going to quit? Just a while ago she said she had "signed off," but I could hardly detect the slightest pause in her postings. And you said maybe we should call her the "Lost One." I agree, and have referred to her as a "fallen away Urantian." She went nuts over that, even though she says she used to believe the entire Revelation and now doesn't." -Norm, 3-17-03 "Norm, you are now on my BLOCKED SENDERS LIST. If you continue in this hateful vein it will not reach my eyes, so you might as well give it up." -Saskia, 3-17-03
"Hello Ernest, ...I have now had valuable
firsthand experience with the cult mentality you so accurately describe
below. It was just a word to me before, even when I was reading ABOUT it in
the Jesus papers and elsewhere. But now it has taken on real meaning for me
and allows me to sympathize wholeheartedly with anyone in the past who has
ever taken a stand towards eliminating error and been denounced, ridiculed,
or even killed for it. (I have concurrently been warding off similar hate and
willful ignorance on the Foundation's list, from which I also unsubscribed
yesterday, so that cult mentality seems to be across the board.) You are
right: That is the price we may have to pay, and they will say they are doing
it in the name of God. But it is an honor to be persecuted for righteousness'
sake. Just understanding this cult mentality helps a person to deal with it
in a sane way, which was not possible for me before. I will no longer allow
them to make a fool out of me, as you pointed out below. We all have to learn
by experience. It is unfortunate that Dr. Sadler's name became so indelibly
associated with the Urantia revelation that it created a demi-God out of him.
This is what people are fighting to preserve, and this will cause no end of
trouble. Even Dr. Sadler himself tried to avoid this from happening. My goal
is simply to present documents I have uncovered that will correct accepted
misconceptions and promote fairness. (For instance, Sherman openly revised
his beliefs on reincarnation in 1941, so to continue to saddle him with his
prior beliefs is unfair, and only makes the researcher look like an amateur.
I have many other examples that I can't go into here.) Together we can work
toward the truth we are all searching for, without having to see eye to eye
on the interpretation. I am not getting into a discussion on these issues as
I have resigned from the lists and need to buckle down. Our work will be
announced on our site, www.squarecircles.com and on UBRON. As I have stated
many times, it will be the people of the future who will appreciate it, long
after we are gone, not the people of today. -Saskia. Please note that the
following addresses have been removed from my address book: "Norm Du
Val"; urantial@ubook.org;
ubtalk@utalk.org" To another: "...Norm has been very nasty to me, denouncing me and trying to humiliate me publicly, acting the opposite of what I would expect from a follower of Jesus, so I have blocked his email address. Norm would have to undergo a massive "reorientiation of personality" for me to consider dealing with him, no matter how valid his opinions are. He and a few other people are nothing but trouble, and only misery can result from interacting with them." -Saskia, 6-8-03 "This will probably offend many people, but I have come to the conclusion that many gays are simply of a higher evolution than the majority of animalistic straight men. I fully expect that when we get to the mansion worlds what we regard as "gay" here on Urantia will be considered the norm, that while retaining male or female characteristics, we will all be more neuter. Living and working in Hollywood as I do I've noticed that most of the creativity, humor and originality comes from the gay sector. When those brilliant, talented and charming gays get a heavy dose of animal inheritance mixed in with their advanced genes, of course there will be conflict and confusion. I picture the pureline Prince's staff--while divided into male and female--as being more gay than straight. They were of a higher evolution to begin with, and not of pure animal origin. Their mixed descendants would have had the conflict in their natures. Some of my most enjoyable and meaningful times on this earth have been spent with gay friends, and I look forward to continuing those associations on the mansion worlds. I can fully see why the average testosterone-laden heterosexual man would be afraid of the competition!" -Saskia, circa Oct-2000 |