Norm's reply to Mo
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Subject: FreeUrantia: Re: Part I Re: Response to Lee ArmstrongHi Marty,
Were you thrilled to get this communication from one of the Trustees?
Pretty exciting, eh man? I should say so. Mo is a "very busy [man] and
unable to answer the many different e-mail's on vital subjects." You have
been blessed Marty. An e-mail from Mo is not exactly the same as an
audience with the Pope, but hey, it's a start, by golly.Let's see, what did he say? Lot's of rosey, uplifting stuff. Oh yeah, the
UF (a corporation) needs your prayers. And support too. Well, so do the
Republicans and the Democrats and the Methodists. Really, don't they all
need our prayers and support? What else? Oh yeah, to spread "the glad
tidings of the Revelation", as long as you only use their books, with their
name and address in them so that THEY will get more supporters. He KNOWs
you are one of those people, Marty. And things are looking better, MO says.
In a few years you'll look back and smile at all the progress. Praise da
Lord and hallelujah!! Ahhh, and don't forget the CENTRIST PR, errr, I mean
policies that are bringing us all together, that "unite readers and empower
believers." Life is great.Then Mo goes on to talk about spreading "this inviolate text throughout the
world".Ahhh yes, the old "INVIOLATE TEXT DEAL". Pardon me, Marty for breaking out
of my sarcasm here for a minute, but MO SIEGAL IS SIMPLY A LIAR CONCERNING
THE INVIOLATE TEXT AND HE SHOULD STOP USING THE TERM. HE KNOWS FULL WELL THAT THE TEXT HAS BEEN ALTERED AND IS NO LONGER INVIOLATE AND THE UF DOES NOT EVEN FOOTNOTE THE CHANGES. YOU ARE A LIAR MO. Stop referring to the product you are pushing as "inviolate text". It's a LIE.>while bringing
>people closer to God.Ah yes, "while bringing people closer to God." with an organization whose
corporate nose is longer than Pinocchio's. HEY MO, WHAT ABOUT THIS LIE?
When are you going to renounce it in the venue where it was made?"'Urantia' is neither descriptive nor geographical nor does it have any
primary significance other than to identify services performed by service
mark owner...."Mo, I am so ashamed of you. I have a video here of the Brotherhood meeting
with the Trustees in New York in 1989 after the split. At that meeting you
stood up and looked Keeler and company in the eye and told them what an
evil bunch they were. NOW you are one of them, and nothing has changed
except for their PR program. Caligastia has surely put you in his pocket.Marty, Mo's post was one of the biggest snow jobs I've ever seen. He talks
to you as if you were some sort of naive 5 year old native child and he is
a minor deity from above tossing you some crumbs of encouragement. Here's a
pat on the head and a sucker for you, little boy. He refuses to honestly
deal with any of the issues that continue and will continue to divide the
movement. He continues farther down the path of denial, so wrapped up in
his aura of being someone important.Mo, when is the Foundation going to begin to honor the teachings of Jesus?
"Be willing to suffer injustice rather than to go to law among yourselves."
Page 1571"Forbid him not. Do you not perceive that this gospel of the kingdom shall
presently be proclaimed in all the world? How can you expect that all who
will believe the gospel shall be subject to your direction? Rejoice that
already our teaching has begun to manifest itself beyond the bounds of our
personal influence. Page 1764Mo, when is the Foundation going to not only stop lying, but go back and
correct the old lies in the venues where they were made? Yours above
concerning "inviolate text" is a good example. It's a flat out lie.And this one?
"'Urantia' is neither descriptive nor geographical nor does it have any
primary significance other than to identify services performed by service
mark owner...."And this one?, made in court which must be refuted in court:
"...and by the way, it's not a religious book". If it's not a religious
book, what interest do you have in "bringing people closer to God." like
you said above?And this one?
"our intellectual property"
And this one?
"a work made for hire"
And this one"
Author(s) Urantia Foundation
And this lie which the Foundation let stand?
"arranged by the humans"
And what about this one, in another court of law?
"So...do you know who...authored the Urantia Book?"
A: "No, I do not."And this one, from an organization that you say will "emerge ...as one of
the great and noble institutions on earth.""FEF is simply an enemy of the Foundation..."
And this one?
"There was a trustee of the Urantia Foundation, William Sadler, Jr., not
senior, who wrote, authored, however you want to look at it, parts of The
Urantia Book. And that was part of the work, and it was clearly work for
hire, also a joint work. And that was also a basis for the renewal."And what about this insult to the Master?
"Your Honor, the only people who are allowed to wear the collective
membership mark...are members of the San Fernando Urantia Society and the
Western Springs Urantia Society. If they're members of that then they're
entitled to wear the collective membership marks, otherwise they're not."And this lie?
"It [the word "Urantian"] is a coined word -- formed by, and from the name
of, Applicant Foundation..."And what about this spitting in the face of the Master? When is the
Foundation going to publicly apologize for this and publicly beg the
forgiveness of those involved, which in fact are ALL of us?"The Trustees of URANTIA Foundation do not wish to sell copies of The
URANTIA Book to you."And what about this? and David Kantor's recent allegations of death
threats? When are you trustees going to do the right thing and clean out
the corruption in your house so that you will become "one of the great and
noble institutions on earth."? What is really going on here underneath the
Foundation's cover-up up and stonewalling, and why did two trustees and two
staff members resign suddenly and with no plausible explanation last
December? Why don't you come clean about all of this stuff?"I had been concerned about Mr. Keeler and his fitness to serve as a
Foundation trustee for some time prior to my telephone conferences with him
regarding the San Diego criminal investigation."
Martin Myers, Urantia Foundation TrusteeAnd what about this "centrist" statement below? Is it still in force?
"In our August 1, 1990 letter, we stated that your society MUST agree to
comply -- in writing by September 30, 1990 -- with certain requirements in
order to maintain it's license from URANTIA Foundation; (2) agrees to
affiliate with URANTIA Brotherhood ASSOCIATION and (3) agrees to refrain
from maintaining or establishing ANY relationship or affiliation with or
participating in activities or events sponsored by The Fifth Epochal
Fellowship or any other organization acting in a fashion inconsistent with
the policies and purposes of the Foundation."
Urantia Foundation Trustees to George L. Park, President, Urantia Society
of Central Connecticut.Shame on you Mo. Your post to Marty was sickening. Deal with the problems
and stop the denial. You could be a great man in the Urantia movement.
Instead, all you want to be is a big shot. You trustees had better deal
with this stuff, because if you don't, it's going to dog you like the
Monica Lewinsky thing has dogged the President. It'll never go away until
you people come clean and get right and do the right thing. Telling the
truth would be great for starters. It's not going away Mo, unless you deal
with it. Arrangements have been made to carry the truth about the
Foundation's sordid doings well into the next century. This isn't AD 30,
and you "clever corrupters" are not dealing with Abner this time around.
The next century and beyond will know the truth.Norm.
WHY DOESN'T URANTIA FOUNDATION JUST TELL THE TRUTH? "I either have to move to a country where I can practice my religion, or I'm going to do time under the Foundation's suggested injunction." Kristen Maaherra, July 9, 1998
This website is dedicated to "unceasing exposure" of the Foundation's sophistries.